Phil – For the first time in history, you and I might vote for the same candidate. Any President who wears leather pants and a black pirate shirt is okay by me. And Ursa will be VP! How awesome is that??
Sorry, gang. The morning after posting the spur of the late moment quip (note the time), it occurred to me that it might carry too much ad hominem (or ad feminem) baggage — too much Republican slant indeed for a diverse site such as this. Pardon any offense to any who admire Hillary. She’s a smart and capable lady, and whatever issues or concerns I might have regarding her positions (and ambitions) can perhaps be part of another discussion, should the occasion (such as her winning a bunch of primaries in 2008) arise.
[sighs] Frickin’ hate doing this – look, I don’t want to be the PC Police, and I don’t think anyone here’s a raging sexist – if anything, we’re products of flawed societal conditioning, all of us, but this one elicited some pretty gnarly sadness from me, so here goes:
I don’t admire Hillary any more than I admire any other politian with ambition and an agenda and political dreams and strong opinions and a list of mistakes. I don’t. I also don’t see this as a partisan issue, really, though I admittedly lean left pretty frequently. I just want to say [commence eye-rolling now] that when a woman is, even in an admittedly funny joke, referred to in a deragatory manner because she’s reputed to be strong, ambitious, crafty, opinionated, or holding a clear agenda for her sex/party/profession makes me really, really sad. It makes me feel like feminism (or, as I prefer to call it: gender-equitism) still has work to do. I’m basing this on two assumptions (or more – feel free to let me know if I’ve missed one):
She’s being called a predator because she’s female – I’m assuming this because this isn’t the first time I’ve heard a woman being called this, and I’ve never heard the same for a male figure. If true, not fair.
Predator is a deragatory term – anybody want to argue this one?
Paul, if you meant to call her a predator simply because she’s a politian, regardless of gender, I sincerely apologize for all the hoopla. Or, if you’re in the habit of calling left-wingers predators, the same. If this is about Hillary’s gender, ouch, you know?
I know I’m probably taking this too seriously and seriously killing everyone’s buzz. I’m sorry for that, but – you know – this is one chick’s response. Please don’t kill me…
…oops, and Paul, thanks for the considerate follow-up. Sincerely. I’m not trying to browbeat YOU, I promise. Just processing. Rather badly, I think. Crap.
Seriously? So that whole diatribe had absolutely no foundation? Typical…
I thought Arnold was the alien (you know, because he wasn’t born American?) and Hilary the predator based on the aforementioned assumptions. Uh, sorry, everybody.
Actually, Cerise, you’re right, although Mike’s reversal of the quip is an interesting take. But for the sake of peace on the blog, I want to offer the following:
Please don’t take the joke any more seriously than something you might hear in any Tonight Show monologue. It was more about the dumb movie title than anything else. For the record, the punchline isn’t based on the idea that any woman with strong opinions, ambition or drive should be considered a predator. I would consider such an notion to be stupid and offensive. Also, there isn’t any reason (in my mind, anyway) to consider left-leaning politicos any more prone to be predatory than rightward ones. Indeed, recently I’ve been up in arms about Ann Coulter’s ghastly and cruel remarks about the World Trade Center widows, and her apparent calculation that the ensuing uproar would boost sales of her newest book. (She even said as much on a prickly Tonight Show interview. George Carlin, sitting next to her as she didn’t give an inch on this issue, looked like he would blow a gasket any second.) Predatory might be an appropriate adjective to apply to that situation.
But I digress… In this case of the late night joke, I’m afraid the reference is more specific, based on numerous reports of Hillary’s behavior and attitudes that might be considered Nixonian, if not draconian, manifested during the Clinton governorship and presidency. (I haven’t read as much about her Senatorial activities.) The joke was a play on that information, just as we hear endless jokes (again, watch Leno, Letterman, Conan or Bill Maher on any given night) about Bush being dumb based on his grammatical goofs, or about Michael Jackson’s plastic surgeries, or Arnold’s accent. There’s exaggeration of a particular characteristic for the sake of a laugh, though admittedly taking a chance that the humor might go too far or be hurtful. That certainly wasn’t the intent of my quip, and I apologize if it caused any distress on anyone’s part.
michael lee 8:03 am on 30 August 2006 Permalink
Very refreshing to have such a forthright candidate! Still though, I think I’m voting Colbert. I like his stance on bears.
aly hawkins 8:41 am on 30 August 2006 Permalink
Phil – For the first time in history, you and I might vote for the same candidate. Any President who wears leather pants and a black pirate shirt is okay by me. And Ursa will be VP! How awesome is that??
harmonicminer 11:12 am on 30 August 2006 Permalink
I’ve always had kind of a thing for URSA… in my more submissive moments. Say, everytime Feb. 29 falls on a Saturday.
Grammy 11:42 am on 30 August 2006 Permalink
Vote for Pedro.
Zack 2:56 pm on 30 August 2006 Permalink
Awww….yes!
Ash 4:03 pm on 30 August 2006 Permalink
Help us Bono, only You can save us!
harmonicminer 10:45 pm on 30 August 2006 Permalink
Hey…. Bono vs. Zod…. I would positively love to see the debates.
Of course, afterward Zod would vaporize Bono.
Paul 1:08 am on 31 August 2006 Permalink
Okay, as long as we’re doing movie candidates I can’t resist throwing in this stupid joke that came to me late one night:
In 2008 Governor Ahhnold is going to run against Hillary Clinton — it will be “Alien Vs. Predator”!!
Morphea 8:03 am on 31 August 2006 Permalink
OK, does everybody but me get how Hillary’s a predator?
C
aly hawkins 8:10 am on 31 August 2006 Permalink
I don’t get it either. I think it’s either a guy thing or a Republican thing. Or maybe a doctor thing?
Chad 9:23 am on 31 August 2006 Permalink
Or just a gift for goofy humor.
harmonicminer 1:17 pm on 31 August 2006 Permalink
I think you misunderstand… perhaps Arnold is Predator, and Hillary is the Alien?
Anyway, neither of ‘em would dare debate Zod. All hail Zod!
Paul 11:13 pm on 31 August 2006 Permalink
Sorry, gang. The morning after posting the spur of the late moment quip (note the time), it occurred to me that it might carry too much ad hominem (or ad feminem) baggage — too much Republican slant indeed for a diverse site such as this. Pardon any offense to any who admire Hillary. She’s a smart and capable lady, and whatever issues or concerns I might have regarding her positions (and ambitions) can perhaps be part of another discussion, should the occasion (such as her winning a bunch of primaries in 2008) arise.
I’ll yield the floor back to Zod.
Morphea 1:08 pm on 1 September 2006 Permalink
[sighs] Frickin’ hate doing this – look, I don’t want to be the PC Police, and I don’t think anyone here’s a raging sexist – if anything, we’re products of flawed societal conditioning, all of us, but this one elicited some pretty gnarly sadness from me, so here goes:
I don’t admire Hillary any more than I admire any other politian with ambition and an agenda and political dreams and strong opinions and a list of mistakes. I don’t. I also don’t see this as a partisan issue, really, though I admittedly lean left pretty frequently. I just want to say [commence eye-rolling now] that when a woman is, even in an admittedly funny joke, referred to in a deragatory manner because she’s reputed to be strong, ambitious, crafty, opinionated, or holding a clear agenda for her sex/party/profession makes me really, really sad. It makes me feel like feminism (or, as I prefer to call it: gender-equitism) still has work to do. I’m basing this on two assumptions (or more – feel free to let me know if I’ve missed one):
She’s being called a predator because she’s female – I’m assuming this because this isn’t the first time I’ve heard a woman being called this, and I’ve never heard the same for a male figure. If true, not fair.
Predator is a deragatory term – anybody want to argue this one?
Paul, if you meant to call her a predator simply because she’s a politian, regardless of gender, I sincerely apologize for all the hoopla. Or, if you’re in the habit of calling left-wingers predators, the same. If this is about Hillary’s gender, ouch, you know?
I know I’m probably taking this too seriously and seriously killing everyone’s buzz. I’m sorry for that, but – you know – this is one chick’s response. Please don’t kill me…
Cerise
Morphea 1:11 pm on 1 September 2006 Permalink
…oops, and Paul, thanks for the considerate follow-up. Sincerely. I’m not trying to browbeat YOU, I promise. Just processing. Rather badly, I think. Crap.
C
michael lee 1:33 pm on 1 September 2006 Permalink
Morphea – I think the metaphor’s reversed.
Arnold is the Predator.
The democrats are from outer space :-)
Morphea 1:38 pm on 1 September 2006 Permalink
Seriously? So that whole diatribe had absolutely no foundation? Typical…
I thought Arnold was the alien (you know, because he wasn’t born American?) and Hilary the predator based on the aforementioned assumptions. Uh, sorry, everybody.
[slinks off, prays for death]
Cerise
Paul 10:07 pm on 1 September 2006 Permalink
Actually, Cerise, you’re right, although Mike’s reversal of the quip is an interesting take. But for the sake of peace on the blog, I want to offer the following:
Please don’t take the joke any more seriously than something you might hear in any Tonight Show monologue. It was more about the dumb movie title than anything else. For the record, the punchline isn’t based on the idea that any woman with strong opinions, ambition or drive should be considered a predator. I would consider such an notion to be stupid and offensive. Also, there isn’t any reason (in my mind, anyway) to consider left-leaning politicos any more prone to be predatory than rightward ones. Indeed, recently I’ve been up in arms about Ann Coulter’s ghastly and cruel remarks about the World Trade Center widows, and her apparent calculation that the ensuing uproar would boost sales of her newest book. (She even said as much on a prickly Tonight Show interview. George Carlin, sitting next to her as she didn’t give an inch on this issue, looked like he would blow a gasket any second.) Predatory might be an appropriate adjective to apply to that situation.
But I digress… In this case of the late night joke, I’m afraid the reference is more specific, based on numerous reports of Hillary’s behavior and attitudes that might be considered Nixonian, if not draconian, manifested during the Clinton governorship and presidency. (I haven’t read as much about her Senatorial activities.) The joke was a play on that information, just as we hear endless jokes (again, watch Leno, Letterman, Conan or Bill Maher on any given night) about Bush being dumb based on his grammatical goofs, or about Michael Jackson’s plastic surgeries, or Arnold’s accent. There’s exaggeration of a particular characteristic for the sake of a laugh, though admittedly taking a chance that the humor might go too far or be hurtful. That certainly wasn’t the intent of my quip, and I apologize if it caused any distress on anyone’s part.
pi 5:48 am on 20 March 2008 Permalink
how do I make a campaign contribution?